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Comments

Jeremiah Owyang

I think you're onto something here regarding observing the patterns when comparing to Yahoo and AOL. Google is an innovative company that sees opportunity and is not afraid to take it --in fact they regurlaly encourage their employees to do this 20% of the time. Perhaps this same innovative spirit will figure out how to do this in another channel besides adwords

I don't know for sure, but can sure speculate that they're seeking many other streams of opportunity.

Tim Wang

Great article. Thanks for playing devil's advocate on Google. Its good to be reminded from time to time the peril of investing in the highly competitive high tech industry. Its unfortunate that "Blodger calls Google at $100" is now the top story/headline on Bloomberg system. The article completely takes your write up out of context. Even though you were one of the early few that touted Google. Now you'll be remembered only as the guy who called the Amazon surge and the guy who called the Goog's freefall. I feel your pain- people/media have selective memories.

Kiran Kini

HUGE PROBLEMS UNDERNEATH THE SURFACE…. REVENUE RECOGNITION
1) Look at page 7 of the 10Q on the Revenue Recognition portion of the ADSENSE program. “REVENUE” comes in and is totally paid out to their partners…. INCOME Contribution ….ZERO…. but what does GOOGLE do, they count it both as revenues and expense…. WHICH INFLATES THE REVENUE GROWTH RATE WITH NO MARGINAL CONTRIBUTION TO INCOME
2) Then come our GENIUS analyst…. They point out that Revenue growth is astronomical (yeah right!!!)….. and then use a ridiculous multiple of REVENUES to justify a sky high valuation….

Here is an example…
Say the revenue from AD Sense is $500mm, All that money is paid out to their partners so Expense is $500mm, Hence Net Income contributiono is ZERO.

But our SUPER ANALYST would take that incremental $500mm, multiply it with a revenue multiple of $50 and say that should increase the market cap by $25 BILLION (yes that is Billion with a capital B)…….

It is the same sham from the Dot Com boom… but we never learn do we…. Why do you thing that they are paying $1 billion for the AOL deal, They will do the same revenue recognition magic and boost market cap by $20 or more Billion… nice game …..

P-

"Newspapers the world over will revel in front-page analyses of shortsightedness, arrogance, and what went wrong."

Henry, i hate to say this but "... we've been fed this bullshit since the craddle."(to quote J. Conner from a movie)

The bankers and financiers(if any) would see this happen to the other portals of the world first before they'll let this happen to this billion dollar baby of theirs.

Don't get me wrong, the market is sensitive to cos that have outrageous or to quote your article with a phrase 'pie-in-the-sky' valuations but the market is saying will still give you at least one if not a couple!!... but its' got to be based on something concrete... hence forth Google.

But Google isn't the be all end all of internet cos or even an idea... there'll be other ideas and cos.

In this era it is all about Google. It is in control of its' own destiny.

Not many ideas going forward will be equal or bigger that this
;that's what the investment bankers are telling themselves...

"We can take this baby around the block a couple of times and make a fortune. Hey that's what they call us right (creative) capitalists. We invented it for G**'s sake"- Investment bankers

The fallacy of that thinking is they assume a 100% probability when it is actually more like 80%... that's what happened to Enron that 20% error

Common Henry, you should know better sell me a 10-15X compression and we'll call it a correction.

Adam Sculthorpe

Given that Google's Adsense network (the part vulnerable to click fraud) in Q3/05 represented 43% of their revenue or approx. $675M for the quarter are they likely to do anything that shuts down that revenue? I don't think so. Click fraud is not a bandwagon, it's a 5 mile freight train and it is not stopping for anyone.

As long as affiliates are paid commission by way of the cost-per-click model, click fraud will continue to grow. Bloggers know all about click fraud, I've seen countless blogs with statements like "don't forget to click on my Google ads, it helps pay the bills" should we call it 'cultural click fraud' ? Hmmm, who owns blogger.com? Someone should have a chat with them about that.

I found this earlier today, is Google's reputation sliding ?

-- Hot Keywords of the Day --

"Google Arrogance"
"Google Anti-Trust"

guy

www.fuckedgoogle.com

been reporting this kind of thing there for nearly 3 years.

Nemrut

Henry,

You're nothing but a slimy crook like many of your brethren on wall street. Out to make a quick buck in good times and bad.

How come you're not in jail for your trading misdeeds during the boom? What goes around comes around...your day has yet to arrive.

Patrick

As an advertiser that spends between $2000 and $6000/month on Google advertising for several years (almost from day 1 of AdWords), we've noticed that, even while keeping our bids constant, that our cost per conversion has jumped up 2x or 3x, depending on the keyword. For whatever reason, Google is sending us fewer qualified leads than they have before.

However, they have also lowered their minimum bids from 5 cents a click to 1 cent per click. So we lowered all our bids, some right down to 1 cent. Instead of the $150/day that we were spending before, we now spend about $40-$50/day, and we actually get more conversions than we did at $150/day. I suspect that we're an isolated case, since most advertisers bid far more than the minimum, but as click fraud increases cost per conversion, other advertisers will lower their bids to keep cost per conversion in line.

A previous poster pointed out that the largest advertisers have ways of detecting click fraud. The problem, though, is convincing Google of this. Even if you can prove that certain clicks were fraudulent, just try getting someone over at Google to answer a phone call and listen to your case. They may be hiring lots of PhDs, but customer support is almost non-existent. If you can find a customer support phone number for Google, you're a better detective than I am.

Patrick

I want to quickly add that Google is still the most cost-effective form of advertising out there. That's really the bottom line. I also have an account over at Yahoo/Overture, and their cost per conversion is nowhere near as low as Google's. So as long as the ROI remains competitive and click fraud doesn't get out of hand, Google may continue to siphon ad money from other sources (TV, print, radio, etc). When you look at Google relatively small market share in comparison to the overall advertising pie, it's possible that they could continue to grow for a lot longer before leveling off.

BTM

How to Beat the Market!!!

Patrick

For the person who stated that you can use the IP address to detect traffic coming from click-fraud warehouses, it's not that easy. A professional organization like this would likely be using some sort of IP spoofing to make it harder to detect the clicks (each click will look like it's coming from a different IP address). IP spoofing is mentioned in the Wired article on click fraud.

Another form of click fraud that's extremely difficult to detect is when an amateur webmaster who runs a low traffic site clicks on each ad on his site once a day. If this person has a dial-up account (and hosts it with an external hosting company like 1and1.com) then the IPs will appear completely unrelated from day to day, since dial-up accounts have no consistent IP address history. Since there are untold numbers of these little sites showing Google ads, I suspect the reduction in conversion rates is due to the proliferation of ads on these small sites (what Google calls its "Content Network"). On the other hand, at some point the ratio of small site to big site will stabilize, so perhaps the conversion rate will stabilize at some point.

We're keeping a close eye on the numbers here on our end.

Me

I really like that little picture of a bear at the top of the article.

Ames  Tiedeman

The real problem with GOOG is this: A new and better search engine will likely emerge in the not too distant future. This new search engine will more than likely be launched by a GOOG competitor. With this much money sloshing around it is just a matter of time before some Wiz at MIT or some other melting pot for the super smart comes up with a better idea. Just 11 years ago everyone was told that Netscape would own the web. We were told the "web browser" was what equaled domination of the internet. This turned out not to be the case. Remeber the first bath the portals took? Remember InfoSeek (seek) and Yahoo at 6 bucks a share after an itnital pop in the early 90's? They dropped like dog food because they were viewed as unimportant. The only one that ever thrived was YHOO becasue of its search and better layout. With all the talk about click fraud and the merits or demerits of AdWords, AdSense, ad this, ad that, the bottom line is this GOOG search may not look all that great in 2 or 3 years. Better technology will come. Also, believe it or not, a lot is in a name. Typing Google.com is cool. Typing MSN.com and then finding their skinny rectangular data entry point for your search words is not. Someone needs to get a a cool name, some good technology, and a better deal against click fraud for the real customers. When this happens, and it will as the engines of capitalism mandate these things, GOOG will go the way of WANG, BORL, and the Edsel. My prediction: GooG goes to 300 soon and if the earnings get real bad we will be looking at a 50 stock in 2008...

Peter

Just block all Google Ads with http://www.customizegoogle.com/

math

Google french ?

math

Google has entered into the Radio business by buying dMarc Broadcasting of Newport Beach, California.

ILYA -google's forex bidder

It's not very difficult to create anti-fraud system for Google. They have to charge not more than one click coming from the same IP in one period (1 month for example) for single advertiser's domain. It will kill 99% of fraud activity. Manual clicking will be unuseful and software hitboting will be 30X times more expensive. On the other hand it wil decrease Google's profits. Gooogle do not do this because of loss profit side effect. It is not profitable for google today. We are receiving loses ang Google receives profits...

Western Wrangler

The likeliehood of click fraud "leveling off" is slim to none. As long as anyone can become a "publisher" the candy store is open.

Everyone blows smoke about the technology involved with detecting click fraud talking IPs, patterns, etc but its really so simple, you lock the back door. My guess is if you took a look at where all those adsense checks were going a half witted fraud investigator could probably nail 90% of it, but as long as bouncy ball google keeps pointing at technologists and offering rhetoric as solutions no one will ever see the trucks backed up at the dock.

anonymous

Since Google has lowered their minimum bit from 5 cent to 1 cent my renevue dropped sharply (90%).


For sure this will affect Googles balance sheets, but this company has still a lot of air to breath. They just buy up companies after companies and therefore have a large potential for creating and promoting new products.

Look out for a correction but not for Googles sell out. This wont happen.

anonymous

...by the way...the comments of this thread are mixed up with the the wrong poster name...

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