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Kevin T.

I'm a lawyer at a small firm. I also do our SEO. We spend between 100k and 200k per year at Google. That's a lot of money for us. That's a lot of money, period!

We think the settlement is unfair.

Since our firm actually does this type of litigation, we will most likely opt-out and will sue Google individually in state court.

We may also take on clients who wish to do the same.

I suspect what will happen is that Google will end up paying more total money to those who have opted out. For example, if we recover 10 percent of what we spent, and there are another 1000 Google advertisers our size or larger, that apready puts Google's obligations at 100 million USD for the opt outs alone.

Kevin

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Thor Schrock

90 Million is not important? Heck, I scrounge for pennies an hour in AdSense. What I wouldn't give for 90M!

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It is a normal result if we thing that Google is putting to much price over ad words.Maybe we will have some other programs more targeted.

CPCcurmudgeon

IMO, the problem with click fraud is the payment model. The same problem exists with CPM, CPA, and any other "per-action" model which is easy to do, and difficult to trace, on the Internet of today. If advertisers paid fixed fees, it would eliminate a lot of the current ad fraud issues because there would be no easy way to arbitrarily influence the advertiser's spend through the artificial generation of traffic.

In addition, the problem with click fraud (really, auto-generation and faking of Internet traffic) was well understood long before Google was incorporated. It has always mystified me that Google deployed AdWords/AdSense despite the clear threat of click fraud.

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In the same time don't you think that some of advertisers are paying to much per click for example?

CPCcurmudgeon

Yes, some advertisers are paying too much per click. It isn't always clear what prices are paid given how bids are made. This is another area where Google should be more transparent, IMO.

Diana Bozarth

In RE to:
Posted by: Neal Lachman | March 09, 2006 at 07:16 PM

Sometimes I think people who don't understand tech, or have never taken a computer programming course, invest in technology.

Does anyone understand how easy it is to write simple programs against click fraud.
INPUT: take the ip address
INPUT: take the time.

IF STATEMENT: If the same IP address makes the same click within @(variable _one) amount of time, throw out all the clicks from this IP address.

Click fraud solved!!

My competitor changes his IP address. He use's his own server or something that will allow this. The first 6 digits stay the same he clicks on my site a few times a day some days up to 12 times in a row 5 to 8 sec apart never visits the other pages. enough to cost me approx.. 1000.00 more a month than I would have to if he did not click on my site. He has approx.. 6 different IP address that he is able to change the last digits on. I have asked Google and Overture for help and they claim they see no problem. To simply outcast a single IP address from this guy is not so easy. His numbers start with 200.111 or 64.24 etc... I know this is my competitor because I confronted him told him I had the FBI involved (I did until Huricane Katrina)and the clicks stopped for approx. 5 months. I can't prove its him because I have no idea how to get the name of who owns the IP'S. I only know from my tracker that it is happening.

Neal S. Lachman


Diana,

I never made that comment - Tom did (the guy who commented after mine).

Concerning your problem, I would humbly want to add my two cents.

Cent 1) Involve the police (I guess the FBI is way too high up there and not interested in small crimes). Most likely there's an cyber force, if not, call the local Better Business Bureau and ask them what you can do.

Cent 2) Ask uncle Joe and cousin vinny to go have a nice and decent chat with Mr. Competitor.

WW

I am an advertiser with Google Adwords. Recently one or two of my competitors created a lot of fraud clicks to my ads so that my daily budget of $240 was used even before noon time, in the whole afternoon, my ads disappears from Google, and only their ads can moved up to the top. I narrowed down their IPs, where these fraud clicks are from, to 3 or 4 IPS. Could you please tell me how could I find out who the IP is, or anybody can recommend any attorney who can help me with this issue? Thanks.

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