Yahoo The Fossilized Old Media Company
Please read this depressing take on the ossification of Yahoo! Finance from Jeremy Zawodny, who used to work in the division and still works at the company. Kudos to Yahoo for letting Zawodny be depressed about his employer in public--this alone suggests that there is still life somewhere in the company. But shame on Yahoo! for letting the fire die.
One expects to hear stories like Zawodny's when talking to employees of Time Warner, Viacom, and other fat, happy dinosaurs. But Yahoo!? Forgive me, a shareholder, for hallucinating that somewhere in one of my favorite companies there were managers and employees who still wanted to win.
It is way, way too early for Internet oligarchs like Yahoo to hit cruise control. Google exists because senior management at Yahoo! took their eyes off the search ball--the core competency that transformed the tiny start-up into a global behemoth. And now it appears that despite this disaster Yahoo! has taken its eyes off another core cash generation machine: Finance. And once again, Google has found the abandoned treasure.
I hear tales from within Yahoo! of chagrin that the company fumbled away $100 billion in market cap by blowing its search lead. I must confess I was hoping that this chagrin would serve as a kick in the ass--a stark lesson in what happens when you get rich, arrogant, and distracted. Given Zawodny's description of the pathetic inertia that has infected Finance over the last few years, however, I wonder.
Perhaps the enormous success the company achieved in its first five years has infiltrated its DNA. Perhaps the first thing every Yahoo thinks when he or she wakes up every morning is "I am a Yahoo! I am rich, brilliant, and cool. Now, where shall I have today's four-hour lunch?" Perhaps what motivates Yahoos these days is dreams of more visits from such inspirational business leaders as Tom Cruise ("My manager told me that next year Terry's working on Tom Hanks!"). Perhaps the secret fantasy of many Yahoos is that, someday, they'll finally be cool enough to be invited to the Oscars.
[Note to Yahoo!: Larry and Sergey could buy the Oscars, along with every dime-a-dozen studio and production company in town.]
Well, wake up Yahoo! You're only 12 years old. Take the armchair-rockers off the porch and get back in the fight.
UPDATE
Jeremy responds (as I hoped he or someone else might) and says that the Finance woes should not be extrapolated to the whole company. I'm relieved, I guess, although I'd still like to see some evidence of Jack Welch-style butt-kicking, at least within Yahoo! Finance.
Looks like the other fossilized company from Redmond did a restructuring!
Microsoft Announces Major Restructuring to Compete Against Google
Posted by:Mr Wave theory | March 23, 2006 at 01:44 PM
Henry,
Maybe this is my old value side of me, but, am I the only one that is not impressed with yahoo the stock? I thought it was sharply overvalued with the 60+ PE and the 20% growth rate. But that was just the start.
Management, starting with Mr. Semel and Ms. Decker, have been absolutely looting the company over the past few years. The board gives them a ridiculous options package, they dump almost all of it, and the board re-grants them a few MILLION more shares. The press release for Mr. Semel's last compensation package almost made me vomit.
I also think they are leveraging their balance sheet a bit to make the current numbers look better than they actually are. Net receivables has jumped from 514M in Q105 to 721M as of last quarter. Goodwill, which they don't amortize and just "carry", has risen a billion dollars in the last two years. Almost all of the increase in assets over the last 2 years comes directly from the Google sale.
I won't even talk about the 6% share dilution (market value: 3 billion) over the 2 years.
Maybe none of these are enough to make a big deal over, but it seems the yahoo group has done everything it possibly can to massage the numbers to make them look as good as possible. I think the reason for this is that yahoo doesn't, and hasn't, made anywhere near enough money to justify it's market valuation.
Posted by:Chris Fischer | March 23, 2006 at 03:47 PM
I recently took a look at the Yahoo! insider selling after the Google scandal and was surprised that they were doing the exact same thing. Three percent of dilution per year is insane, on the other hand ExxonMobil bought back roughly 5% of capital in 2005 on top of there 2% dividend. I think I will take Exxon.
Posted by:Jeremy Johnson | March 23, 2006 at 04:32 PM
This is why I believe Google's model of launch and rapid incremental improvement is the right one. There are people - many who comment on your blog - who say that Google finance is not innovative. They should perhaps read the blog of one of the veterans of Google finance, as you have saliently pointed out Henry. Besides, Google Finance is still nascent (in beta) and is likely to rapidly improve in the coming months. If I were working on Yahoo finance I'd feel the nauseating lurching feeling in my stomach that the folks on Yahoo mail must have felt at the launch of Gmail.
Posted by:Victor | March 23, 2006 at 05:07 PM
Now, come on! Retrospection is as good as ... nothing.
OK, agreed... Yahoo screwed off half of its MC in, let's say, record time.
OK, agreed... they took their eyes off the search ball.
Also, agreed that they are even now looking for a road ahead.
But, where is the competition [READ Google] today? It is at the same sweet spot where Yahoo! was not so long ago.
Thus, is yahoo! a screwed up company, lost to the sharks, off to hit the road?
I think not.
Look at what happened and happens to Yahoo as a honest market correction. Do they and their shareholders deserve this? I think it should have been expected. Or did we all want to ride the wave, hoping it will never break (ashore)?
Yahoo has been growning up, and is now maturing, but it is not a fossil. Don't give up on Yahoo just because their market cap is half of the wild boy Google. See Google in a few years (if not 12 months) standing at the same level. It is going to be a fight of equals, just let the market correct itself. Just wait and see.
Posted by:Neal Lachman | March 23, 2006 at 08:12 PM
Google's products aren't all that amazing. The Yahoo! Mail beta product looks much nicer than GMail, or at least equal. I still see Yahoo! emails at least 5 to 1 over GMail emails amoungst friends and acqaintences -- the base hasn't left. Other than Google News, the Google Search Engine, GMail, and Maps, what does Google have? Meanwhile I use Yahoo for Finance, Games, some local Groups (think Tennis), Maps (about half the time), HotJobs, Sports and Travel.
And really the Google search engine is a also-ran technologically at this point. Every other search engine is 90% as good. The only time I really use Google is when I use a special feature such as site: or define:. Use search.yahoo.com (or a9.com which has excellent results, very few ads and saves you 1.5% on Amazon books) for one week and you will wonder what makes Google so great. It is a fad.
Posted by:Jeremy Johnson | March 23, 2006 at 09:42 PM
in deed as a share holder i am depressed. what did the top management do in 2005 - they aquired many of those web2.0 companies like webjay, delicious and many others and it seems that they have the same slow power of integration they had with overture.
the overture integration was a fuck up - they missed the monetization train, they slept on the syndication/distribution front and furthermore on the product side they are losing market share.
hopefully they will execute much better within the media / content space like the 60 minutes partnership with CBS and hopefully many others more to come.
Posted by:abigale lester | March 24, 2006 at 05:57 AM
Next target for Google is to take on Yahoo's fantasy sports franchise. . . cant wait . . . little known out side of user base, representing a ridiculous amount of Yahoo's page views, havent innovated in years, great synergies with gmail/gchat/gtalk, and whatever "social" initiative google is cooking up. . .
Posted by:will | March 24, 2006 at 12:47 PM
I'm surprised no one has stated the obvious:
Terry Semel and his team need to be replaced with people who "get it". Despite all the good stuff allegedly going on within "islands" at yahoo, the senior managment fails to pull it all together; that's a serious failure, to which they ought to be held accountable. They certainly would be rewarded if the opposite were true.
If yahoo doesn't pull their head out soon, they won't exist as an independent company for much longer.
wayne
Posted by:wayne | March 24, 2006 at 06:04 PM
>> I thought [Yahoo] it was sharply overvalued with the 60+ PE
??
Yahoo PE is 24, Google is 72.
Posted by:Joe Hunkins | March 25, 2006 at 03:51 PM
"Yahoo PE is 24, Google is 72."
That shouldn't end the debate, given that the debate at heart is about valuation. While the above figures are factually correct, failure to understand the accounting issues underlying the above numbers would most certainly lead to erroneous conclusion.
55% of Yahoo's 2005 earnings came from sale of investment, divestiture, and restructuring.
Better numbers for valuation purposes would be from analysts' future projections.
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YHOO: Forward P/E fy07: 43.68
PEG Ratio(5 yr expected): 2.35
GOOG: Forward P/E fy07: 30.91
PEG Ratio(5 yr expected): 1.36
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Also of note: above data from Yahoo Finance, not Google Finance. Why use Google which sends you to the various web sites, when all the data is neatly and comprehensively contained on Yahoo?
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