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King Troll

FIRST BITCHES

JIm

The deal should be very positive and cement Google's leading position in the industry. It preempts Yahoo! or MSN from getting a foot in the door. I believe this is really a great deal for YouTube, for Google, for the VCs invested in YouTube, for advertisers and users.

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Bruce Hamm

Just remember that MSN and Yahoo are bringing in over $50M in video based revenues today - lower audience, higher quality play for advertisers. Look past the hype and critically analyze what assumptions have to come to pass here - they are not slam dunk variables.

john

Has anyone thought of the q3 quality score changes that goog implemented? Many of my keywords have increased in price from 300-1000 % in order to keep them active. While this sucks for me, I continue to pay due to the success of my advertising with goog. I think this is something that a lot of people are overlooking for this Q IMO>

vic

Hey Henry, Missing the quarter may not be such a bad thing for YT and Sequoia. Imagine that they price after a earnings blow-up and the stock is down 10 - 20%. Well, they make out like bandits on the short-term gyration as they set their exchange rate and ride off into the sunset with 10 - 20% more GOOG. Not a bad deal I say. Perhaps GOOG told them that they missed the quarter and will price after the melee. Perhaps also too clever me thinks...

Dave Stutter

"It preempts Yahoo! or MSN from getting a foot in the door."

Even a YouTube/Google combo places only 3rd in video streams initiated in the latest monthly numbers. It would be behind MySpace and Yahoo! I think Google is the one that couldn't get its foot in the door. http://internet.seekingalpha.com/article/18045

Doesn't it say something when a company is supposedly snapping up every genius on earth and they need to make a $1.5 billion purchase for a less than 2-year old company with 65 employees that resides a few miles from Mt. Google? What exactly are the Google geniuses doing with their "20% time"?

That being said, what the hell? Henry is right. They paid 1% of their marketcap for a huge marketshare gain in online video. They may as well use the marketcap while they have it. I'm sure Yahoo! would've made a better effort if the stock wasn't so beaten down.

But Google having to pay their way to the top isn't a very positive long term indicator when they're success has been attributed to innovation.

sufiy

On this deal WEB 2.0 has turned into bubble 2.0. Google has admited that inside nothing substantial could be created, the main logic was "if we will not buy it MSFT or AHOO will! And then what...Google will vanish? Where is all that brand strength, dominant market share? The truth is it is one stream revenue business, competitors just ONE CLICK away, cost swith for customer Zero. Look at their CC about the deal: company is under hit of contracting revenue growth and most importantly FCF, which will bring valuation and stock price down. The most interesting for me is how they are gonna make this q, numbers are gonna be very tought to meet.

an_observer

As a stubborn GOOG bull since IPO, I actually thought Google is going to miss Q3 significantly. Many things went wrong this quarter. I even thought so before Yahoo raised their red flags.

Could Sequoia and YouTube do the deal without reviewing the latest books in details?

Mr Wave Theory

Below are the Google (Nasdasq GOOG)/ Youtube comments from Wall Street Analysts. All of the firms below make markets in Google stock and/or options, so take their advice with a grain - make that 2 grains - of salt.

While it is counter to Google's general preference to build rather than buy, and the company already has a similar offering in Google Video, we believe Google recognizes the value of YouTube's leadership position and its strong brand name in the fast-growing video space. … By owning YouTube, Google may be able to bring content holders to the negotiating table earlier and in a more strategic way than otherwise might be possible.
--Douglas Anmuth at Lehman Brothers, who has an "overweight" rating and $530 price target
* * *

More analyst comments...

http://mrwavetheory.blogspot.com/2006/10/google-youtube-wall-street-analyst.html

C. Fischer

Henry,

Vic (above) is right. Since this deal will almost definately price after the earnings release, that would seem to imply the earnings may not be so good. If YouTube truly had insight in the Google quarter, why would you agree to a stock deal when you know it's going to be devalued by some percentage in the near term?

C. Fischer

Observer,

What do you think has gone wrong?

I think John (above) is bringing up an interesting point that I haven't heard anyone talking about - the July 11th decision to raise minimum bids on lots of keywords. Google has talked about this for a while and I don't think the timing of it for this quarter was an accident. Does anyone (Henry?) think this will have a significant impact to revenue numbers, or is this really done just to improve user experience as google is claiming (they cynic in me doubts it.)

walt

Successful investing requires prescience of events before everyone else AND the courage to act on that prescient knowledge.
For those here who spinning the conspiracy theory that GOOG and Youtube are aware of an impending cratering of GOOG stock price due to Q3 results; your path is obvious. Short GOOG.
You've already done that, right?

franck

Hello everyone..Does anyone here have any idea about which were the investment banks from both side?

LC

I agree with Henry, Sequoia and YouTube should have clear insight into Google's result in Q3. The all stock deal gave a good hint of Google's great Q3 result. Remember, Google has $10 B cash....

sufiy

More news on slowing advertisement

"CNet also lowered its revenue outlook for the third quarter, citing weaker-than-expected advertising demand. The company now expects revenue of $92.8 million, below its previous forecast of $93 million to $96 million.
Also, CNet lowered its 2006 revenue project to $376 million to $386 million from the previously stated $386 million"


http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7B8792D93B%2D1413%2D4674%2D8B5A%2D1BE9F8CEA50A%7D&source=blq%2Fyhoo&dist=yhoo&siteid=yhoo

http://sufiy.blogspot.com/

Jake Wolf

No matter how bullish big and humungeous banks are on Google, I am still loading up on puts right before Google releases their 3rd quarter earnings. I'll be blogging all the way to the bank with YouTube's smart sellouts.

Victor

Henry, let's talk about Facebook. What do you think the chances of that deal going down are? What will Yahoo pay? Is it a good idea?

abe

When does this become a business problem: http://www.examiner.com/a-339060%7ERobert_Cox__When_will_the_right_recognize_the_cost_of_conceding_Web_2_0_.html

Jeremy C. Johnson

I remember CSCO going from 40 to 20 in one day. That was a rough day. CSCO is still around and is a dominant force in the infrastructure business. GOOG will be a dominant force in the search business for a long time to come. I've used GOOG since close to the beginning. Love the product. But they will have a day where there stock goes from 400 to 200. It won't be Q3 or Q4. Too much monetization left in the bag. Eric hasn't put the Sun touch on the business yet. But it will come.

Victor

http://money.cnn.com/2006/10/13/technology/google_yahoo/index.htm?cnn=yes

nice article contrasting Google and Yahoo

Victor

Henry, what happened to the Google pool? I hope you're still running it :)

Duf

My theory is such: goog can only eat so much of the online advertising pie, as such being the market leader are you not at the most risk to feel max pain as ad revs slow? revs down...stock retests the 380 level.

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